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== Plenary Overview Session covering Groups B, C, H, I, and J ==
Notes of the plenary Overview Session covering Groups B, C, H, I, and J for the [[Solar Cycle 24]] meeting.


DeRosa: Magnetism
'''DeRosa: Magnetism'''


* Magnetic fields are pandemic. Review comments emphasize two areas:
* Magnetic fields are pandemic. Review comments emphasize two areas:
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''Hudson'': Div B comment - the problem is 2/3 solved! A: You are very optimistic!
''Hudson'': Div B comment - the problem is 2/3 solved! A: You are very optimistic!


DeWijn: Chromosphere
'''DeWijn: Chromosphere'''


* Read the manifesto. Four questions
* Read the manifesto. Four questions
  1) general disagreements on what "chromospheric heating" amounts to.  
1) general disagreements on what "chromospheric heating" amounts to. Acoustic waves still an open question. Internal gravity waves ditto. Type II spicules a key to the magnetized chromosphere? Corona... The questions have multiplied!
    Acoustic waves still an open question. Internal gravity waves ditto.
 
    Type II spicules a key to the magnetized chromosphere? Corona...
''Liewer'': what is a type II spicule? A: Time scale of seconds, number density different from classical (type I) spicules.  
    Questions have multiplied.
 
Liewer: what is a type II spicule? Time scale of seconds, number density  
2) What is the influence of the beta = 1 surface? Inclined fields. "Chromospheric seismology"? Alfven wave propagation?
    different from classical (type I) spicules.  
 
  2) Beta = 1 surface. Inclined fields. "Chromospheric seismology"? Alfven
''Strous'': Need simulations to handle the Alfven waves properly
    wave propagation?
 
Strous: Need simulations to handle the Alfven waves properly
3) Numerical models. Now know that we need to deal with neutrals. But which problems require multi-fluid? Synthetic models are much better in the photosphere.
  3) Numerical models. Now know that we need to deal with neutrals. But
4) Propagation of free energy through the chromosphere. Is the chromosphere a "force-free factory"? Perpendicular resistivity should be very high in the upper chromosphere - so maybe
    which problems require multi-fluid? Synthetic models are much better
 
    in the photosphere.
''Vourlidas'': where is the top of the chromosphere? A: A difficult question! "We're switching from doing something wrong in the photosphere to doing something wrong, but different, in the chromospehere?"
  4) Propagation of free energy through the chromosphere. Is the chromosphere
 
    a "force-free factory"? Perpendicular resistivity should be very high in
    the upper chromosphere - so maybe
Vourlidas: where is the top of the chromosphere? A difficult question!  
    "We're switching from doing something wrong in the photosphere to doing
    something wrong, but different, in the chromospehere?"
* Chromosphere and flares. Can we diagnose particle beams?
* Chromosphere and flares. Can we diagnose particle beams?
* Observations: Need B in the chromosphere - time-resolved integral field
* Observations: Need B in the chromosphere - ''time-resolved integral field spectroscopy''! Also need compatible resolution.  
  spectroscopy! Need compatible resolution.  
 
Panasenco: Need to include filaments in "chromosphere". Good point... also  
''Panasenco:'' Need to include filaments in "chromosphere". Good point... also loops. Need another workshop!
  loops. Need another workshop!
 
'''Young: Loops'''


Young: Loops
* Spatial structure. Dark regions in ARs show Doppler and line-width signatures in EIS. Sources of wind? Loop resolution? Aided by EIS filling factors of 10-20%. Isothermality? 3-dimensionality? Aschwanden work confirming large inclinations for many loops.
* Temporal evolution: Cooling can be nicely followed in images now. Are all loops heated as transients, ie are there steady loops?


* Spatial structure. Dark regions in ARs show Doppler and line-width
''Doschek:'' see the movie; it's on the Web
  signatures in EIS. Sources of wind? Loop resolution? Aided by EIS filling
  factors of 10-20%. Isothermality? 3-dimensionality? Aschwanden work
  confirming large inclinations for many loops.
* Temporal evolution: Cooling can be nicely followed in images now. Are all
  loops heated as transients, ie are there steady loops?
Doschek: see the movie; it's on the Web
Moore: Markus movie is impressive; does it show any non-potentiality?
  Doschek: Maybe. Moore: DeForest: Overdense, underdense. Nanoflares =>
  underdense?


Peter: Modeling
''Moore:'' The Markus movie is impressive; does it show any non-potentiality?


* Need synthesis of observables. Need non-equilibrium ionization. Footpoint
''DeForest'': Recall the overdense and underdense loop types. "Nanoflares" <=> underdense.
  heating is now heavily preferred.
 
'''Peter: Modeling'''
 
* Need synthesis of observables. Need non-equilibrium ionization. Footpoint heating is now heavily preferred.
* Impulsive heating or steady quasi-static heating? Not so clear theoretically.
* Impulsive heating or steady quasi-static heating? Not so clear theoretically.
* Connection to chomospheric modeling has not been dealt with properly. The
* Connection to chomospheric modeling has not been dealt with properly. The simulation data cubes ought to be made available to the public.  
  simulation data cubes ought to be made available to the public.  
* Existing instruments: need to deal with straylight and background. Need to make better use of SOT.  
* Existing instruments: need to deal with straylight and background. Need to
* Future with SDO/AIA higher time resolution. Graph of electron mfp vs height in MHD model (Peter 2008) => 100 km.  
  make better use of SOT.  
 
* Future with SDO/AIA higher time resolution. Graph of electron mfp vs height
''Welsch'': The models requested are uninteresting from the point of view of the chromosphere. Why stop at 5 min scales? Cooling is uninteresting?
  in MHD model (Peter 2008) => 100 km.  
 
Welsch: The models requested are uninteresting from the point of view of
''Mason'': compromises are necessary.  
  the chromosphere. Why stop at 5 min scales? Cooling is uninteresting?
 
  Mason: compromises are necessary.  
''Judge'': comment on Markus movie. Why are strands illuminated? Note that tubes are less prominent than ribbon-like structures at the footpoints. Why don't we see sheets instead? We understand almost nothing, it appears.  
Judge: comment on Markus movie. Why are strands illuminated? Note that tubes
 
  are less prominent than ribbon-like structures at the footpoints. Why don't
''DeForest'': it's worse than you think.  
  we see sheets instead? We understand almost nothing, it appears.  
 
DeForest: it's worse than you think.  
''Hudson'': Markus is showing us the boring part of the corona. The NLFFF group has noted that the strongly sheared internal structures of an active region are not the ones that Markus can image this way
Hudson: Markus is showing us the boring part of the corona.


Muglach: Filaments
'''Muglach: Filaments'''


* Structure
* Structure
  - 0.1 arcs scales are present, both SOT (over the limb) and also ground-based
- 0.1 arcs scales are present, both SOT (over the limb) and also SST ground-based (on disk), but SST shows all horizontal threads while SOT shows mostly vertical downstreaming filaments. How do we reconcile the two views? There are "threads" now resolved as the smallest scales. Threads present even in the barbs and show dynamics, e.g. counterstreaming. Suggested resolution: the "horizontal threads" we see on disk are really highly inclined nearly vertical threads seen in projection. These are the same threads seen in SOT movies at the limb. Major problem with this hypothesis: SST threads are very thin, short, counterstreaming; SOT filaments are long, turbulent, messy, thicker structures that only flow one way: down. The upflows in SOT movies are dark voids, not thin threads.
  (on disk), but how do we reconcile the two views. There are "threads" now  
 
  resolved as the smallest scales. Threads present even in the barbs and show  
- There are dome structures, on Mm scales, now observed to show remarkable dynamical behavior. What is the source of these "inflating bubbles" below prominences?
  dynamics, e.g. counterstreaming.  
 
  - There are dome structures, or arcs on larger scales, now observed to show
  remarkable dynamical behavior.
* Fields
* Fields
  - Now have have actual He D3 field observations (Casini). Also 10830. Fields
- Now have have actual He D3 field observations (Casini). Also 10830 (Lopez Ariste). Fields can be up to 80--100G, much larger than the 10 G assumed in most models.  
  can be up to 80G.
 
Moore: what direction of B? A: horizontal.
''Moore'': what direction of B? A: horizontal.  
* Wish list: More H-alpha, more stereoscopic observation, more UV/IR
  multiwavelength coverage. More emphasis on models that can handle dynamics.
  Magnetic fields.
* Formation/maintenance: there are only 5 papers on observations of filament
  origin! Many more modeling papers exist!
  - Time sequence shown in Wang-Muglach (2007).
* Models. Magara "source surface" approach e.g. But how to get to the "end
  state" that the models describe?
Moore: There should be good observations if even MDI can see formation.
Berger: A question for the community - why does neutral gas follow the field
  lines. A: collisions.


McLaughlin:  
* Wish list: stereographic observations in H-alpha to resolve structure ambiguities. Space-based magnetic field measurements to get spatial and temporal resolution missing from the preliminary ground-based results. UV and IR wavelength coverage to cover much broader temperature/density ranges.


* A new plume cartoon! The Wang 1994 cartoon is to be supplanted. A two-
* Formation/maintenance: there are only 5 papers on observations of filament origin! Many more modeling papers exist!
  stage formation of which (1) is a formation via a jet (Raouafi et a. 2008).
- Time sequence shown in Wang-Muglach (2007).
  Then decrease of height of X-point. DeForest 2007 shows how to develop a
* Models. "emerging flux rope" (e.g. Magara) approach vs. surface flux models (e.g. Mackay).  All models are good at achieving the observed "end state" - how do we test models against the initial and developing states? Many more observations are needed.
  steady plume structure (hours, rather than the minutes of the "reconnection"
 
  event).
''Moore'': There should be good observations if even MDI can see formation.
  - There is high FIP in the plumes.  
''Berger'': A question for the community - why is neutral gas in quiescent prominences assumed to follow the field lines? A: collisions. ''Berger'': this seems to be a good answer for the much denser lower chromosphere or active region prominences - not so good for the much lower density quiescent prominences. My point is this: the role of neutrals in partially ionized prominences is not well understood and it may be that the gas we see raining down in Hinode/SOT movies is driven by neutrals that are not bound to follow magnetic field lines at all. This would remove the observed contradiction of horizontal magnetic fields and vertical flows.
  - Parnell papers on many-separator reconnection.
 
* (2) Transition to wind. Why are plumes not observed in situ? How much of the
 
  wind originates in the plumes (not all, but at least some?). Why are the
'''McLaughlin: Plumes'''
  scale heights so large?   
 
* A new plume cartoon! The Wang 1994 cartoon is to be supplanted. A two-stage formation of which (1) is a formation via a jet (Raouafi et a. 2008). Then decrease of height of X-point. DeForest 2007 shows how to develop a steady plume structure (hours, rather than the minutes of the "reconnection" event).
- There is high FIP in the plumes.  
- Parnell papers on many-separator reconnection.
* Transition to wind. Why are plumes not observed in situ? How much of the wind originates in the plumes (not all, but at least some?). Why are the scale heights so large?   
* Seven main questions
* Seven main questions
  1) what distinguishes plumes/interplumes?
 
  2) what sustains plumes
(1) what distinguishes plumes/interplumes?
  3) what is the true 3D structure?
 
  4) what causes the acceleration? ("curtain vs tube" debate; need both  
(2) what sustains plumes?
  energy and momentum)
 
  5) How far out do plumes extend?  
(3) what is the true 3D structure?
  6) Svalgaard Nobeyama observations  
 
  7) Spatial distribution/plume suppression. No plumes >85 degrees?  
(4) what causes the acceleration? ("curtain vs tube" debate; need both energy and momentum)
Obligatory Moore question: Step 2 not good, since plumes have mixed  
 
  polarity.
(5) How far out do plumes extend?  
De Pontieu: what does "explicit detection" require of the observations? A:
 
  would like to see propagating waves. AA: It's in the Science paper,  
(6) What are the Svalgaard Nobeyama observations?
  supporting material.
 
Judge: Solar cycle of plume statistics and flux concentrations? A: none at
(7) Spatial distribution/plume suppression. No plumes >85 degrees?  
  solar max, but low-latitude holes may show them (Wang).
 
''Obligatory Moore question:'' Step 2 not good, since plumes have mixed polarity.
 
''De Pontieu'': what does "explicit detection" require of the observations? A: would like to see propagating waves.  
 
''De Pontieu'': It's in the Science paper, supporting material.
 
''Judge'': Solar cycle of plume statistics and flux concentrations? A: none at solar max, but low-latitude holes may show them (''Wang'').
 
[[Category:Meeting]]

Latest revision as of 17:38, 18 January 2010

Notes of the plenary Overview Session covering Groups B, C, H, I, and J for the Solar Cycle 24 meeting.

DeRosa: Magnetism

  • Magnetic fields are pandemic. Review comments emphasize two areas:

1) How does flux at the surface reflect dynamo action? Aimee Norton cartoon showing "tilted toroidal bands". Ephemeral region emergences. Flux "emerges" less frequently at high "unipolarity"?

Judge: what about the scatter vs unipolarity? A: perhaps this is a techincal matter

2) Improving coronal field models. LOS grams may have serious biases. Photospheric vector fields don't deal with the chromosphere properly. Sunsplot flux issues. Chromospheric field interpretation problems. "We don't have any idea" how to map the field, but PFSS is on the way out? The chromosphere is the key to improvements.

Grigis: how about direct coronal field measurements? A: Degeneracy on LOS in optically thick medium. EUV has gone as far as it can go?

Hudson: Div B comment - the problem is 2/3 solved! A: You are very optimistic!

DeWijn: Chromosphere

  • Read the manifesto. Four questions

1) general disagreements on what "chromospheric heating" amounts to. Acoustic waves still an open question. Internal gravity waves ditto. Type II spicules a key to the magnetized chromosphere? Corona... The questions have multiplied!

Liewer: what is a type II spicule? A: Time scale of seconds, number density different from classical (type I) spicules.

2) What is the influence of the beta = 1 surface? Inclined fields. "Chromospheric seismology"? Alfven wave propagation?

Strous: Need simulations to handle the Alfven waves properly

3) Numerical models. Now know that we need to deal with neutrals. But which problems require multi-fluid? Synthetic models are much better in the photosphere. 4) Propagation of free energy through the chromosphere. Is the chromosphere a "force-free factory"? Perpendicular resistivity should be very high in the upper chromosphere - so maybe

Vourlidas: where is the top of the chromosphere? A: A difficult question! "We're switching from doing something wrong in the photosphere to doing something wrong, but different, in the chromospehere?"

  • Chromosphere and flares. Can we diagnose particle beams?
  • Observations: Need B in the chromosphere - time-resolved integral field spectroscopy! Also need compatible resolution.

Panasenco: Need to include filaments in "chromosphere". Good point... also loops. Need another workshop!

Young: Loops

  • Spatial structure. Dark regions in ARs show Doppler and line-width signatures in EIS. Sources of wind? Loop resolution? Aided by EIS filling factors of 10-20%. Isothermality? 3-dimensionality? Aschwanden work confirming large inclinations for many loops.
  • Temporal evolution: Cooling can be nicely followed in images now. Are all loops heated as transients, ie are there steady loops?

Doschek: see the movie; it's on the Web

Moore: The Markus movie is impressive; does it show any non-potentiality?

DeForest: Recall the overdense and underdense loop types. "Nanoflares" <=> underdense.

Peter: Modeling

  • Need synthesis of observables. Need non-equilibrium ionization. Footpoint heating is now heavily preferred.
  • Impulsive heating or steady quasi-static heating? Not so clear theoretically.
  • Connection to chomospheric modeling has not been dealt with properly. The simulation data cubes ought to be made available to the public.
  • Existing instruments: need to deal with straylight and background. Need to make better use of SOT.
  • Future with SDO/AIA higher time resolution. Graph of electron mfp vs height in MHD model (Peter 2008) => 100 km.

Welsch: The models requested are uninteresting from the point of view of the chromosphere. Why stop at 5 min scales? Cooling is uninteresting?

Mason: compromises are necessary.

Judge: comment on Markus movie. Why are strands illuminated? Note that tubes are less prominent than ribbon-like structures at the footpoints. Why don't we see sheets instead? We understand almost nothing, it appears.

DeForest: it's worse than you think.

Hudson: Markus is showing us the boring part of the corona. The NLFFF group has noted that the strongly sheared internal structures of an active region are not the ones that Markus can image this way

Muglach: Filaments

  • Structure

- 0.1 arcs scales are present, both SOT (over the limb) and also SST ground-based (on disk), but SST shows all horizontal threads while SOT shows mostly vertical downstreaming filaments. How do we reconcile the two views? There are "threads" now resolved as the smallest scales. Threads present even in the barbs and show dynamics, e.g. counterstreaming. Suggested resolution: the "horizontal threads" we see on disk are really highly inclined nearly vertical threads seen in projection. These are the same threads seen in SOT movies at the limb. Major problem with this hypothesis: SST threads are very thin, short, counterstreaming; SOT filaments are long, turbulent, messy, thicker structures that only flow one way: down. The upflows in SOT movies are dark voids, not thin threads.

- There are dome structures, on Mm scales, now observed to show remarkable dynamical behavior. What is the source of these "inflating bubbles" below prominences?

  • Fields

- Now have have actual He D3 field observations (Casini). Also 10830 (Lopez Ariste). Fields can be up to 80--100G, much larger than the 10 G assumed in most models.

Moore: what direction of B? A: horizontal.

  • Wish list: stereographic observations in H-alpha to resolve structure ambiguities. Space-based magnetic field measurements to get spatial and temporal resolution missing from the preliminary ground-based results. UV and IR wavelength coverage to cover much broader temperature/density ranges.
  • Formation/maintenance: there are only 5 papers on observations of filament origin! Many more modeling papers exist!

- Time sequence shown in Wang-Muglach (2007).

  • Models. "emerging flux rope" (e.g. Magara) approach vs. surface flux models (e.g. Mackay). All models are good at achieving the observed "end state" - how do we test models against the initial and developing states? Many more observations are needed.

Moore: There should be good observations if even MDI can see formation. Berger: A question for the community - why is neutral gas in quiescent prominences assumed to follow the field lines? A: collisions. Berger: this seems to be a good answer for the much denser lower chromosphere or active region prominences - not so good for the much lower density quiescent prominences. My point is this: the role of neutrals in partially ionized prominences is not well understood and it may be that the gas we see raining down in Hinode/SOT movies is driven by neutrals that are not bound to follow magnetic field lines at all. This would remove the observed contradiction of horizontal magnetic fields and vertical flows.


McLaughlin: Plumes

  • A new plume cartoon! The Wang 1994 cartoon is to be supplanted. A two-stage formation of which (1) is a formation via a jet (Raouafi et a. 2008). Then decrease of height of X-point. DeForest 2007 shows how to develop a steady plume structure (hours, rather than the minutes of the "reconnection" event).

- There is high FIP in the plumes. - Parnell papers on many-separator reconnection.

  • Transition to wind. Why are plumes not observed in situ? How much of the wind originates in the plumes (not all, but at least some?). Why are the scale heights so large?
  • Seven main questions

(1) what distinguishes plumes/interplumes?

(2) what sustains plumes?

(3) what is the true 3D structure?

(4) what causes the acceleration? ("curtain vs tube" debate; need both energy and momentum)

(5) How far out do plumes extend?

(6) What are the Svalgaard Nobeyama observations?

(7) Spatial distribution/plume suppression. No plumes >85 degrees?

Obligatory Moore question: Step 2 not good, since plumes have mixed polarity.

De Pontieu: what does "explicit detection" require of the observations? A: would like to see propagating waves.

De Pontieu: It's in the Science paper, supporting material.

Judge: Solar cycle of plume statistics and flux concentrations? A: none at solar max, but low-latitude holes may show them (Wang).